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21. Thucydides
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22. A Commentary on Thucydides: Volume
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24. Stories From Thucydides
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25. Thucydides: Narrative and Explanation
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26. Commentary on Thucydides Volume
 
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27. Thucydides Book I: A Students'
 
28. Thucydides
29. The complete writings of Thucydides:
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30. The History of the Peloponnesian
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31. Thucydides and the Shaping of
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32. Thucydides on Strategy: Athenian
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35. Thucydides, Pericles, and the
 
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36. The Peloponnesian War. With Introductory
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37. Thucydides Mythistoricus
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39. Greek political theory: The image
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40. A Historical Commentary on Thucydides:

21. Thucydides
by Walter Robert Connor
Paperback: 280 Pages (1987-10-01)
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This full-scale sequential reading of Thucydides' history of the Peloponnesian War will be invaluable to the specialist and also to those in search of an introduction and companion to the "Histories." Moving beyond other studies by its focus on the reader's role in giving meaning to the text, it reveals Thucydides' use of objectivity not so much as standard for the proper presentation of his subject matter as a method for communicating with his readers and involving them in the complexity and suffering of the Peloponnesian War. W. Robert Connor shows that as Thucydides' themes and ideas are reintroduced and developed, the initial reactions of the reader are challenged, subverted, and eventually made to contribute to a deeper understanding of the war.

This book described earlier approaches to the "Histories," including attempts to account for the paradox of the intense emotional power of a work ostensibly so cool and detached. It demonstrates that many features previously thought to be signs of inconsistencies in Thucydides' thought or of different stages of composition are instead parts of the development of the reader's reaction to the war. ... Read more

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4-0 out of 5 stars The owners manual for Thucydide's Peloponnesian War
If you have to or want to read the History of the Peloponnesian War, this is the book to have by your side.Insightful, well researched and loaded with references it painstakingly walks through each of the eight books providing historical context and comment.I found it somewhat heavy on the classical interpretation of the various episodes, but all in all I ended up turning to this book more often than the Peloponnesian War.Good Work ... Read more


22. A Commentary on Thucydides: Volume II: Books IV-V. 24
by Simon Hornblower
Paperback: 536 Pages (2005-03-10)
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This is the second volume of a three-volume historical and literary commentary of the eight books of Thucydides, the great fifth-century BC historian of the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta. Books iv-v.24 cover the years 425-421 BC and contain the Pylos-Spakteria narrative, the Delion Campaign, and Brasidas' operations in the north of Greece. This volume ends with the Peace of Nikias and the alliance between Athens and Sparta. A new feature of this volume is the full thematic introduction which discusses such topics as Thucydides and Herodotus, Thucydide's presentation of Brasidas, Thucydides and kinship, speech--direct and indirect--in iv-v.24, Thucydides and epigraphy (including personal names), iv-v.24 as a work of art: innovative or merely incomplete? Thucydides intended his work to be "an everlasting Possession" and the continuing importance of his work is undisputed. Simon Hornblower's commentary, by translating every passage of Greek commented on for the first time, allows readers with little or no Greek to appreciate the detail of Thucydides' thought and subject-matter. A full index at the end of the volume. ... Read more


23. The History of the Peloponnesian War
by Thucydides
Paperback: 384 Pages (2010-01-29)
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Thucydides's classic chronicle of the war between Athens and Sparta from 431 to 404 B.C. persists as one of the most brilliant histories of all time. This watershed event concerns not only military prowess, but also perennial conflicts between might and right, between imperial powers and subject peoples. ... Read more

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4-0 out of 5 stars A Review of the Barnes & Noble Edition
I'm very much in agreement with the other reviewers in term of Thucydides' great writing and the timeless lessons about human nature.I will instead review this Barnes & Noble edition.B&N Classics is known for publishing old translations which are now public property or commissioning relatively unknown translators (sometimes those who have only a Master's in the field they are translating) and then having some well known specialist in the field to either edit or write the introduction to lend some credential to the work.The translating quality might or might not be of high caliber.

This particular edition of The History of the Peloponnesian is translated by Richard Crawley. Crawley's translation is a master work.The language flows easily and fluidly. It's easy to comprehend and a joy to read.It's a modern translation so no Victorian words to stump you.You can really jump right in and read without any problem.One problem with this translation, as with most translations, is that it does not contain enough maps.Thucydides meticulously details and records each location that major or minor events took place.It's extremely necessary to have maps of these locations in order to understand their strategic significance, not only their military significance, but also what these places mean for the people who are fighting over it.It would be like studying the Nazi invasion of Russia without knowing the where Russia is, what its geographical layout looks like, and what kind of climate it has. Richard Crawley is also the translator for the "Landmark Thucydides" which is two times more expensive than this edition.That particular edition contains extensive notes and maps that will make non-experts have a true experience of Thucydides.Overall, the B&N is an excellent bare bone edition to just read.

And finally, the paper quality is quite good for such an inexpensive edition.It's much better quality than Penguin or some of the other publishers out there.It will last on your shelf a lot longer than some other editions.

5-0 out of 5 stars Greatest of All Greek Historians
The greatest of all Greek historians was the Athenian general Thucydides (455-400 B.C.E.).Thucydides' classic work, "History Of The Peloponnesian War", provides us with the historical framework for 5th century Greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history.This history is by far the best account of the bitter war between Athens and Sparta as well as the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire.Thucydides as a master storyteller does not just cover the battle scenes; he records the great political speeches of Pericles, leader of Athens, and Lysander leader of Sparta with great acumen.He is recognized as the first historian to actually go and get eyewitness accounts, visit battlefieilds and research documents and records.This work took him over 20 years and it shows!

The lessons he teaches about imperial over reaching and unreasonable peace settlements are prescient today as they were during his times.President Woodrow Wilson, read this book on his voyage across the Atlantic to the Versailles Peace Conference and vociferously fought the other Allies in making unreasonable demands of the Germans.Wilson learned the dangers that the world would be placed in by backing the Germans into a corner politically and economically from Thucydides book.

As a graduate student in philosophy and history, I heartily recommend this timeless classic to anyone who is interested in political philosophy, and history.I also recommend you read it with David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides."

5-0 out of 5 stars Greatest of All Greek Historians
The greatest of all Greek historians was the Athenian general Thucydides (455-400 B.C.E.).Thucydides' classic work, "History Of The Peloponnesian War", provides us with the historical framework for 5th century Greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history.This history is by far the best account of the bitter war between Athens and Sparta as well as the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire.Thucydides as a master storyteller does not just cover the battle scenes; he records the great political speeches of Pericles, leader of Athens, and Lysander leader of Sparta with great acumen.He is recognized as the first historian to actually go and get eyewitness accounts, visit battlefieilds and research documents and records.This work took him over 20 years and it shows!

The lessons he teaches about imperial over reaching and unreasonable peace settlements are prescient today as they were during his times.President Woodrow Wilson, read this book on his voyage across the Atlantic to the Versailles Peace Conference and vociferously fought the other Allies in making unreasonable demands of the Germans.Wilson learned the dangers that the world would be placed in by backing the Germans into a corner politically and economically from Thucydides book.

As a graduate student in philosophy and history, I heartily recommend this timeless classic to anyone who is interested in political philosophy, and history.I also recommend you read it with David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides."

5-0 out of 5 stars Cannot recommend Thucydides too highly

Who should read Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War ?

* Anyone who wants to understand how free societies can descend into tyranny:

* Anyone who does not realise that merely holding free elections is not enough to preserve a society worth living in, especially if you don't combine democracy with the rule of law:

* Anyone who needs to understand how two or more nations can stumble into a war devastating to both:

* Anyone who imagines that genocide and ethnic cleansing were limited to our own era:

* Anyone interested in reading one of the first works of true history ever written.

In other words this history of a terrible war nearly two and half thousand years ago is as relevant in the first decade of the third millenium as it was when it was written, four centuries before the birth of Jesus Christ.

If I had to nominate one historical work for my son and daughter to read, I would think carefully between this volume, Suetonius's "The 12 Caesars", and Herodotus's "Histories", but Thucydides "History of the Poloponnesian war" would edge it.

You cannot take every word in this book for granted, but Herodotus and Thucydides came closer to an objective search for truth than any writer whose works survive and was writing before them or for centuries afterwards.

The story of the tragic wars, initially between Athens and Sparta, which decimated Greek civilisation between 431BC and 404 BC is absolutely gripping, and Thucydides brings the story to life for me.

The translation by Richard Crawley was written more than 130 years ago, and in some versions, slightly revised by R.C. Feetham in 1903. Despite being more than a century old, I found the translation to be accessible and easy to understand. I understand from those who know more about history than I do that Crawley's translation is now preferred by current experts to the rival Victorian translation by Benjamin Jowett which provides more of a general sense of Thucydides' writing but is less good at conveying the detail.

The most irritating thing about Thucydides book is that it stops suddently in the middle of a sentence in 411 BC, shortly after the overthrow of democracy in Athens and the Athenian naval victory at the Dardanelles. E.g. well before the actual resolution of the conflict between Athens and Sparta, let alone the subsequent struggle between both cities and Thebes.

If, like me, this leaves you wanting to learn more about what happened next, your best bet is to read Xenophon's "A history of my times" which was deliberately written to follow on from Thucydides, to such an extent that it actually starts with the words "And after this."

The reputation of Xenophon among historians as a reliable source has fallen dramatically over the past few decades, and he is undoubtedly not in the same class as Thucydides as a historian, but he certainly is in the same class as a storyteller and he does complete the story of the war. ... Read more


24. Stories From Thucydides
by H. L. Havell
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The second invasion of the Peloponnesians was prolonged for forty days, and the whole Attic territory was laid waste. Pericles again refused to venture a pitched battle against them, knowing well that the Athenian army was no match for them in the open field. But a powerful fleet was sent to cruise round Peloponnesus, which inflicted much damage on the coast districts. It was a welcome relief to the Athenians selected for this service to escape for a time from the plague-stricken city; but unhappily they carried the infection with them, and the crews were decimated by the same disease. ... Read more


25. Thucydides: Narrative and Explanation (Oxford Classical Monographs)
by Tim Rood
Paperback: 352 Pages (2004-10-07)
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This book analyzes the narrative technique of Thucydides, the historian of the war between Athens and Sparta in the fifth century BC. It relates his shifting uses of various techniques to his explanatory aims, and shows how he narrates the progression of one war and at the same time exposes various truths about the human condition. ... Read more

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4-0 out of 5 stars Much to admire here
Tim Rood's book has become a must read for students of Thucydides, a rare accomplishment for an author so widely written about.Rood, building upon the foundations of W.R. Connor's 1984 THUCYDIDES and the work of Simon Hornblower, which are both scrupulously noted, applies the theoretical approach of narratology to Thucydides' history.In short, narratology, when applied to historical works, argues that we read the text not as an objective representation of past reality but as a rhetorical product.To this end, Rood and the narratologists suggest applying tools culled from the workshop of literary criticism to help explicate the text, e.g. focalization, temporal anachrony, etc.

This is an obviously salutary approach, judging by the results.Many passages that have long frustrated critics have been addressed from fresh angles and the history as a whole has been given a new explanation.The theoretical approach will frustrate those who are used to more conventional approaches and the insistence on the non-objective status of historical texts is always a kind of heresy to some.But for those willing to accept (or overlook) these matters, there is much to admire in Rood's incisive and careful analyses.

3-0 out of 5 stars A luminous comentary
As a relative new-comer to the delights of Thucydides I was at first a little in awe of the author's obvious scholarship.The book was rigorous and well-ordered, as I had expected, having heard much of Timothy Rood'sabilities while at University.In particular, the areas of the book whereMr Rood moved from the specific to the general were a delight, and I hopethat he should see fit to expand his horizons a little were he to authoranother work in this field.Chapter 5 of the book, where he animadverts tothe inevitable tension between the narrative and dialogic elements of the"History", is particularly luminous.Areas that could have been explicatedbetter include the bizarre episode involving the bathing of soldiers' feetin hot water, referred to in Chapter 7, something that has mystifiedThucydides scholars for years, and the barely comprehensible references todrunkenness that pepper later parts of the "History".Aside from those fewomissions and a litter of singular infelicities of expression in the lasttwo chapters, the work is a numinous one, indispensable for all advancedstudents wishing to immerse themselves, to quote Gustave Sephier, in "theclamorous and vociferating uproar of Thucydidean narrative". ... Read more


26. Commentary on Thucydides Volume 5. Book VIII
by A. W. Gomme
Hardcover: 516 Pages (1981-03-12)
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27. Thucydides Book I: A Students' Grammatical Commentary (Bk. 1)
by Howard Don Cameron
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The thought of Thucydides is complex, and this is often reflected in his prose style. Accordingly, students coming to Thucydides for the first time require the guidance of a commentary suited to their needs. The strength of Cameron's commentary, as the title indicates, lies in his explication of grammatical issues. However, Cameron does not simply label the construction and refer the student to a grammar; rather, he explains the grammar and frequently provides parallels, so that the student not only is better equipped to read Thucydides but has a better grasp of the Greek language in general. In addition to these pedagogical merits, Cameron's commentary gives the reader a glimpse into the history of classical scholarship, referring to the work of such giants as J.J. Reiske, among others.
H.D. Cameron is Professor of Classics at the University of Michigan.
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28. Thucydides
by Simon Hornblower
 Paperback: 240 Pages (1994-03-24)

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29. The complete writings of Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War (Modern library of the world's best books)
by Thucydides
Hardcover: 516 Pages (1951)

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5-0 out of 5 stars Greatest of All Greek Historians
The greatest of all Greek historians was the Athenian general Thucydides (455-400 B.C.E.).Thucydides' classic work, "History Of The Peloponnesian War", provides us with the historical framework for 5th century Greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history.This history is by far the best account of the bitter war between Athens and Sparta as well as the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire.Thucydides as a master storyteller does not just cover the battle scenes; he records the great political speeches of Pericles, leader of Athens, and Lysander leader of Sparta with great acumen.He is recognized as the first historian to actually go and get eyewitness accounts, visit battlefieilds and research documents and records.This work took him over 20 years and it shows!

The lessons he teaches about imperial over reaching and unreasonable peace settlements are prescient today as they were during his times.President Woodrow Wilson, read this book on his voyage across the Atlantic to the Versailles Peace Conference and vociferously fought the other Allies in making unreasonable demands of the Germans.Wilson learned the dangers that the world would be placed in by backing the Germans into a corner politically and economically from Thucydides book.

As a graduate student in philosophy and history, I heartily recommend this timeless classic to anyone who is interested in political philosophy, and history.I also recommend you read it with David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides."

5-0 out of 5 stars Greatest of All Greek Historians
The greatest of all Greek historians was the Athenian general Thucydides (455-400 B.C.E.).Thucydides' classic work, "History Of The Peloponnesian War", provides us with the historical framework for 5th century Greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history.This history is by far the best account of the bitter war between Athens and Sparta as well as the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire.Thucydides as a master storyteller does not just cover the battle scenes; he records the great political speeches of Pericles, leader of Athens, and Lysander leader of Sparta with great acumen.He is recognized as the first historian to actually go and get eyewitness accounts, visit battlefieilds and research documents and records.This work took him over 20 years and it shows!

The lessons he teaches about imperial over reaching and unreasonable peace settlements are prescient today as they were during his times.President Woodrow Wilson, read this book on his voyage across the Atlantic to the Versailles Peace Conference and vociferously fought the other Allies in making unreasonable demands of the Germans.Wilson learned the dangers that the world would be placed in by backing the Germans into a corner politically and economically from Thucydides book.

As a graduate student in philosophy and history, I heartily recommend this timeless classic to anyone who is interested in political philosophy, and history.I also recommend you read it with David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides."

1-0 out of 5 stars never received it
paid for it but never received it.Am really ticked off. ... Read more


30. The History of the Peloponnesian War: By Thucydides: Illustrated by Maps, Taken Entirely from Actual Surveys; with Notes Chiefly Historical and Geographical
by Thucydides
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This is an EXACT reproduction of a book published before 1923. This IS NOT an OCR'd book with strange characters, introduced typographical errors, and jumbled words.This book may have occasional imperfections such as missing or blurred pages, poor pictures, errant marks, etc. that were either part of the original artifact, or were introduced by the scanning process. We believe this work is culturally important, and despite the imperfections, have elected to bring it back into print as part of our continuing commitment to the preservation of printed works worldwide. We appreciate your understanding of the imperfections in the preservation process, and hope you enjoy this valuable book. ... Read more


31. Thucydides and the Shaping of History (Classical Literature and Society)
by Emily Greenwood
Paperback: 192 Pages (2006-01-30)
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32. Thucydides on Strategy: Athenian and Spartan Grand Strategies in the Peloponesian War and Their Relevance Today (Columbia/Hurst)
by Constantinos Koliopoulos, Athanassioss G Platias
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33. Thucydides: Book II (Bristol Greek Texts Series) (Bristol Greek Texts Series)
by E. Marchant
Paperback: 281 Pages (2006-02-15)
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This book, like its companions Thucydides I and IV, is published primarily for students approaching a book of Thucydides for the first time or studying the Peloponnesian War in a more general way.The text and notes are those of E. C. Marchant, originally published in 1891 and the introduction by Thomas Wiedemann which takes into the account the needs of the modern student and up-to-date research on Thucydides. ... Read more

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5-0 out of 5 stars Greatest Of All Greek Historians
The greatest of all Greek historians was the Athenian general Thucydides (455-400 B.C.E.).Thucydides' classic work, "History Of The Peloponnesian War", provides us with the historical framework for 5th century Greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history. This history is by far the best account of the bitter war between Athens and Sparta as well as the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire.Thucydides as a master story teller doesn't just cover the battle scenes, he records the great political speeches of Pericles, leader of Athens, and Lysander leader of Sparta with great acumen.He is recognized as the first historian to actually go and get eyewitness accounts, visit battlefieilds and research documents and records.This work took him over 20 years and it shows!

The lessons he teaches about imperial over reaching and unreasonable peace settlements are prescient today as they were during his times.President Woodrow Wilson, read this book on his voyage across the Atlantic to the Versailles Peace Conference and vociferously fought the other Allies in making unreasonable demands of the Germans. Wilson learned the dangers that the world would be placed in by backing the Germans into a corner politically and economically from Thucydides book.

I recommend this timeless classic to anyone who is interested in political philosophy, and history.I also recommend you read it with David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides.
... Read more


34. A Commentary on Thucydides: Volume I: Books I - III
by Simon Hornblower
Paperback: 560 Pages (1997-05-08)
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This is the first volume of a two-volume historical and literary commentary on the eight books of Thucydides, the great fifth-century B.C. historian of the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta. Exploring both the historical and literary aspects of the work, this commentary provides translations of every passage or phrase of Greek commented on and allows readers with little knowledge of the language to appreciate the detail of Thucydides' work.Making accessible the detail of Thucydides' thought and subject matter, this is the first complete commentary written by a single author this century. ... Read more


35. Thucydides, Pericles, and the Idea of Athens in the Peloponnesian War
by Martha Taylor
Hardcover: 324 Pages (2009-10-26)
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Thucydides, Pericles, and the Idea of Athens in the Peloponnesian War is the first comprehensive study of Thucydides' presentation of Pericles' radical redefinition of the city of Athens during the Peloponnesian War. Martha Taylor argues that Thucydides subtly critiques Pericles' vision of Athens as a city divorced from the territory of Attica and focused, instead, on the sea and the empire. Thucydides shows that Pericles' reconceputalization of the city led the Athenians both to Melos and to Sicily. Toward the end of his work, Thucydides demonstrates that flexible thinking about the city exacerbated the Athenians' civil war. Providing a thorough critique and analysis of Thucydides' neglected book 8, Taylor shows that Thucydides praises political compromise centered around the traditional city in Attica. In doing so, he implicitly censures both Pericles and the Athenian imperial project itself. ... Read more


36. The Peloponnesian War. With Introductory Essays. (A Bantam classic)
by Thucydides
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5-0 out of 5 stars Greatest of All Greek Historians
The greatest of all Greek historians was the Athenian general Thucydides (455-400 B.C.E.).Thucydides' classic work, "History Of The Peloponnesian War", provides us with the historical framework for 5th century Greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history.This history is by far the best account of the bitter war between Athens and Sparta as well as the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire.Thucydides as a master storyteller does not just cover the battle scenes; he records the great political speeches of Pericles, leader of Athens, and Lysander leader of Sparta with great acumen.He is recognized as the first historian to actually go and get eyewitness accounts, visit battlefieilds and research documents and records.This work took him over 20 years and it shows!

The lessons he teaches about imperial over reaching and unreasonable peace settlements are prescient today as they were during his times.President Woodrow Wilson, read this book on his voyage across the Atlantic to the Versailles Peace Conference and vociferously fought the other Allies in making unreasonable demands of the Germans.Wilson learned the dangers that the world would be placed in by backing the Germans into a corner politically and economically from Thucydides book.

As a graduate student in philosophy and history, I heartily recommend this timeless classic to anyone who is interested in political philosophy, and history.I also recommend you read it with David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides."

... Read more


37. Thucydides Mythistoricus
by Francis Macdonald Cornford
Paperback: 294 Pages (2010-08-27)
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1907. In this essay Cornford strives to emphasize the essentially artistic aspect of Thucydides' work. Contents: Part I. Thucydides Historicus: The Causes of the War; Athenian Parties Before the War; The Megarian Decrees; The Western Policy; Thucydides' Conception of History. Part II. The Luck of Pylos; The Most Violent of the Citizens; Mythistoria and the Drama; Peitho; The Mellan Dialogue; The Lion's Whelp; Eros Tryannus; The Tragic Passions; and The Cause of War. ... Read more


38. The Humanity of Thucydides
by Clifford Orwin
Paperback: 235 Pages (1997-08-29)
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Thucydides has long been celebrated for the unflinching realism of his presentation of political life. And yet, as some scholars have asserted, his work also displays a profound humanity. In the first thorough exploration of the relation between these two traits, Clifford Orwin argues that Thucydides' humanity is not a reflection of the author's temperament but an aspect of his thought, above all of his articulation of the central problem of political life, the tension between right and compulsion.

This book provides the most complete treatment to date of Thucydides' handling of the problem of injustice, as well as the most extensive interpretations yet of the speeches in which it comes to light. Thucydides does not merely display the weakness of justice in the world, but joins his characters in exploring the implications of this weakness for our understanding of what justice is. Orwin pursues this question through Thucydides' work and relates it to the historian's other leading concerns, such as the contrast between the Athenian way and the Spartan way, the role of piety in political life, the interaction of foreign and domestic politics, and the role of statesmanship in a world dominated by frenzies of hope, fear, and indignation. Above all, Orwin demonstrates the richness, complexity, and daring of Thucydides' articulation of these issues. ... Read more

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5-0 out of 5 stars Philosophical Ruminations on Thucydides
This is the best book-length treatment of Thucydides available from a truly philosophical perspective. Orwin looks at Thucydides through the lens of political philosophy and the question of justice. He does not attempt to locate Thucydides in his "historical context" nor otherwise interpret the father of political history in light of the modern prejudice that looks for an author's "ideology"; rather, Orwin seriously considers whether Thucydides has given a true account of that which he intended to describe, namely, the nature of the human possibilities of war as such, regardless of time or place. Distinguishing Orwin's interpretation from all others of which I am aware is a thought provoking analysis of the role piety played in the motives of the actors described by Thucydides. This is an uncommonly good work that serves as a catalyst for thoughtful reflection on the nature of humanity.

2-0 out of 5 stars Below average book
This book deals with one of the most philosophical observers on the human condition in the most boring and "scholarily" manner.Consider that Orwin has spent over 15 years writing this, it should read better thanan average graduate student paper.Orwin's take, for example, on thePlague is formulac and vague.(how many times can Orwin use the word,"body" to explain this passage?) Much more could have been saidon the plagues relationship to political ideas, for example.Overall, thiswork serves to illustrate that Orwin is better suited to write as ajournalist and not someone concerned with ideas. ... Read more


39. Greek political theory: The image of man in Thucydides and Plato
by David Grene
 Hardcover: Pages (1967)

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40. A Historical Commentary on Thucydides: A Companion to Rex Warner's Penguin Translation
by David Cartwright
Paperback: 336 Pages (1997-08-15)
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Much of the modern way of thinking about history and historiography in fact begins with the great Greek historian Thucydides, an Athenian general in the latter half of the fifth century b.c.e. It is also Thucydides who provides us with the historical framework for fifth-century Greece, a period of progress and creativity rarely equaled in human history. His work, The Peloponnesian War, recounts that destructive conflict and also includes the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire. Thucydides teaches his readers that the most powerful states in the world can come to a humiliating end, that a careless tyranny, especially toward the weak, and, nearly two millennia before Machiavelli, that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In A Historical Commentary on Thucydides, David Cartwright aims to guide the Greekless reader through Thucydides' fascinating yet demanding narrative. Cartwright's is the only such full-length, one-volume commentary and companion: it is based on Rex Warner's Penguin translation of Thucydides--the most widely used translation--and requires no knowledge of Greek. The introduction to A Historical Commentary on Thucydides includes a brief biography of Thucydides: his approach, aims, and methods are discussed, as are the general character of his work and his contribution to historiography. The commentary gives brief accounts of the people and places mentioned by Thucydides and puts events in their immediate and wider contexts. Cartwright provides occasional summaries, explains Greek concepts and technical terms, and offers interpretations of difficult or controversial passages. The author also picks out important historiographical issues and discusses the themes' underlying events.
For both first-time readers and seasoned students, this commentary gives broad access to one of antiquity's most profound and difficult writers. Historians, classicists, and anyone else interested in the cultural and intellectual achievements of ancient Greece will find A Historical Commentary on Thucydides a welcome addition to their library.
David Cartwright is Head of Classics at Dulwich College, London, England.
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5-0 out of 5 stars Greatest Of All Greek Historians
David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides gently guides the reader through the historians complex narrative paving the way for making this history a very enjoyable read.This book includes a plethora of maps, definitions and cross-references to help modern readers become more immersed in the text.The greatest of all Greek historians was the Athenian general Thucydides (455-400 B.C.E.).Thucydides' classic work, "History Of The Peloponnesian War", provides us with the historical framework for 5th century Greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history.This history is by far the best account of the bitter war between Athens and Sparta as well as the only surviving contemporary record of the rise of the Athenian empire.Thucydides as a master story teller doesn't just cover the battle scenes, he records the great political speeches of Pericles, leader of Athens, and Lysander leader of Sparta with great acumen.He is recognized as the first historian to actually go and get eyewitness accounts, visit battlefieilds and research documents and records.This work took him over 20 years and it shows!

The lessons he teaches about imperial over reaching and unreasonable peace settlements are prescient today as they were during his times.President Woodrow Wilson, read this book on his voyage across the Atlantic to the Versailles Peace Conference and vociferously fought the other Allies in making unreasonable demands of the Germans. Wilson learned the dangers that the world would be placed in by backing the Germans into a corner politically and economically from Thucydides book.

I recommend this timeless classic to anyone who is interested in political philosophy, and history.I highly recommend you read it with David Cartwright's "A Historical Commentary On Thucydides.
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