1. 08/08/01: Canadian Socialized Medicine Is A Proven Failure. 08/08/01 canadian socialized medicine is a proven failure. org/ publications/ backgrounders/ federal/ impo rt.phtml http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/princessdiaries/18/71.html

08/08/01: Canadian socialized medicine is a proven failure. Posted by: grundle2600@hotmail.com (grundle) http://www.phrma.org/publications/backgrounders/federal/impo rt.phtml The Canadian federal and provincial governments ration health care and discourage new medical technology; the result is protracted waits for medical care and lower quality care. According to a leading Canadian think tank, over 200,000 Canadians are waiting for surgical procedures. The waiting list grew 13% in just one year, (from 1997 to 1998). On average in 1998, for example, Canadian patients waited: 13.3 weeks for treatment from a specialist (6 weeks to see a specialist, and nearly 7.3 more weeks to receive treatment). Waiting times increased 12% in a single year. 11.4 weeks for an MRI an 18% increase in a single year. 25.4 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

2. Directory Of Socialized Medicine Scholarly And In-Depth Studies From Free-Market 04/26/01 Socialized medicine? Now there's 2 terms that don't go together. Like the whole theory of socialism, it's fine in theory, but in practice it's a disaster. Kaiser, crappy as it is, is preferable. want to hear about some of the "efficiencies" of canadian socialized medicine. No matter what, eventually, someone pays. http://www.free-market.net/directorybycategory/in-depth/T8.1

about map news channels ... find you are here: Free-Market.Net Find Directory by Category Scholarly and In-Depth Studies Socialized Medicine Scholarly and In-Depth Studies search get personal recommendations add a resource/link Global ... Africa Global A high price for patients: an update on government health care in Britain and Canada Source: The Heritage Foundation Author: James Frogue Country: United States Advocates of subsidized medicine often claim that the U.S. health care system should be more like the government-run health care in Canada and Britain, but moving American medicine in this direction would be a terrible mistake, resulting in long lines for treatment, substandard technology, frustrated doctors and patients, and government rationing of care. (9/26/00) The structural problems of single-payer systems Source: Heartland Institute/Healthcare News Author: Richard Teske Country: United States The promises made by proponents of a single national health system always sound so much better than the reality. That is the Faustian bargain of all socialized economic systems. Those systems may start out in different places, but they always end up in the same place: price controls, rationed access, and second-tier quality. (08/01) The structural problems of single-payer systems Source: Heartland Institute/Healthcare News Author: Richard Teske Country: United States The promises made by proponents of a single national health system always sound so much better than the reality. That is the Faustian bargain of all socialized economic systems. Those systems may start out in different places, but they always end up in the same place: price controls, rationed access, and second-tier quality. (08/01)

3. World.std.com/~mhuben/erwin Date Sat, 27 Jan 1996 075519 0500 From Greg Erwin ai815@FREENET.CARLETON.CA Subject canadian socialized medicine TIMOTHEUS(GORSKI) 72724.3223 http://world.std.com/~mhuben/erwin

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:55:19 -0500 From: Greg Erwin Subject: Canadian Socialized Medicine "TIMOTHEUS(GORSKI)" wrote: Gee, you're soooo clever. Right, I confess it now. I made up all the stuff about people not receiving health care in the US, the only people who do not are lazy, good-for-nothing bums who refuse to work, and choose to live in the street because they like the outdoors, just like Ronnie said. And I have to admit, our three children were born in an igloo in the back yard. When the labour pains started, the soonest they could schedule a birth was 3 months away. Likewise, my wife's surgery, and my own, and my mother-in-law's recent hospitalization, they were all a hallucination, we did it ourselves, with a butter knife in the kitchen, but I was too ashamed to admit it. Actually, everybody in Canada died weeks ago from the neglect imposed by our socialist medical system, we're just keeping it a secret. My Socialist Party Masters (NDP) will probably haul me off to thought reform camp for revealing this, and without a hand gun I will be powerless to stop them. I forgot to mention it, until reminded in a later post by Rebecca, that of course, they must have used my universal Canadian ID card to track me down. Oh, if I had only listened to your warnings! If only everybody here had had a .45 and doctors were earning high five figure incomes, then we, in Canada, could have enjoyed the prosperity, success and delights of the US. Oh, how I wish I were still in the US, helping to pay for the Savings and Loan entrepreneurs, contributing to the Pentagon's supplies of materiel (estimated as having enough in some categories to last for centuries) and being able to shoot strangers through the door without fear of interference...

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5. Socialized Medicine Leaves A Bad Taste In Pat...  [Mackinac Center For Public P Bad food in canadian Hospitals is symptomatic of the problems of a singlepayer health care system. http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=2748

6. Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience, By Pierre Lemieux 96100. socialized medicine The canadian Experience by Pierre Lemieux. Severallessons can be drawn from the canadian experience with socialized medicine. http://www.pierrelemieux.org/arthealthfreeman.html

Article published in The Freeman , March 1989, pp. 96-100 Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience by Pierre Lemieux The Canadian public health system is often put forward as an ideal for Americans to emulate. It provides all Canadians with free basic health care: free doctors' visits, free hospital ward care, free surgery, free drugs and medicine while in the hospital plus some free dental care for children as well as free prescription drugs and other services for the over-65 and welfare recipients. You just show your plastic medicare card and you never see a medical bill. This extensive national health system was begun in the late 1950s with a system of publicly funded hospital insurance, and completed in the late 1960s and early 1970s when comprehensive health insurance was put into place. The federal government finances about 40 per cent of the costs, provided the provinces set up a system satisfying federal norms. All provincial systems thus are very similar, and the Quebec case which we will examine is fairly typical. One immediate problem with public health care is with the funding. Those usually attracted to such a "free" system are the poor and the sick those least able to pay. A political solution is to force everybody to enroll in the system, which amounts to redistributing income towards participants with higher health risks or lower income. This is why the Canadian system is universal and compulsory.

7. Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience An analysis of Canada's universal, compulsory national health care system Search for Keywords socialized medicine The canadian Experience. Pierre Lemieux http://www.libertyhaven.com/countriesandregions/canada/medicinecana.html

Theoretical/Philosophical Issues Politics/Government Personal Freedom Issues Regulations ... Yourname@libertyhaven.com Email login: Password: Search for: Books Magazines Music Maps Out of Print Books British Books British Magazines British Music Keywords: Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience Pierre Lemieux The Canadian public health system is often put forward as an ideal for Americans to emulate. It provides all Canadians with free basic health care: free doctors visits, free hospital ward care, free surgery, free drugs and medicine while in the hospital-plus some free dental care for children as well as free prescription drugs and other services for the over-65 and welfare recipients. You just show your plastic medicare card and you never see a medical bill. This extensive national health system was begun in the late 1950s with a system of publicly funded hospital insurance, and completed in the late 1960s and early 1970s when comprehensive health insurance was put into place. The federal government finances about 40 percent of the costs, provided the provinces set up a system satisfying federal norms. All provincial systems thus are very similar, and the Quebec case which we will examine is fairly typical. One immediate problem with public health care is with the funding. Those usually attracted to such a "free" system are the poor and the sick - those least able to pay. A political solution is to force everybody to enroll in the system, which amounts to redistributing income towards participants with higher health risks or lower income. This is why the Canadian system is universal and compulsory.

8. Libertarian Articles Against Socialized Medicine Articles concerning socialized medicing from a libertarian view. Articles Against socialized medicine. socialized medicine The canadian Experience. The canadian public health http://www.self-gov.org/medicine.html

9. Hospital Food And Socialized Medicine Hospital Food and socialized medicine. David Gratzer, a prominent canadian healthpolicycommentator, published a blockbuster book last year entitled Code Blue http://www.libertyhaven.com/countriesandregions/canada/hospitalfood.shtml

Theoretical/Philosophical Issues Politics/Government Personal Freedom Issues Regulations ... Yourname@libertyhaven.com Email login: Password: Search for: Books Magazines Music Maps Out of Print Books British Books British Magazines British Music Keywords: Hospital Food and Socialized Medicine Lawrence W. Reed Hospital food is rarely mistaken for gourmet cuisine anywhere, but at least it's not an issue over which major political campaigns are waged. Except in Canada, that is. Last September, a colleague of mine visited Manitoba, a province in central Canada. Electioneering was at a fever pitch, with just a few days left before voting for a variety of public offices. My friend was astonished to observe that the dominant issue was indeed hospital food. It had become a political hot potato, the candidates outdoing one another to express concern and promise action. The unhappy patients of Manitoba's hospitals and personal-care homes have complained for months about the introduction of "rethermalized food" - cut-rate meals prepared 1,300 miles away in Toronto, then frozen and shipped to Manitoba, where they are nuked in microwave ovens and served. Peter Holle, president of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy in Winnipeg, explained to me that the rethermalized meals idea was a cost-saving "innovation" of government bureaucrats employed by regional health authorities. "Never mind that they taste like cardboard," says Holle. "Never mind that individual tastes and circumstances might dictate decentralized food services. Reheated meals became a symbol of efficiency for the supposedly compassionate do-gooders in government. Why pay hundreds of workers in dozens of Manitoba kitchens when we can just zap up frozen dinners from Toronto? Somebody suggested that the province could save more money by serving these meals in the legislature's dining room too, but that was one idea that the politicians dismissed as truly halfbaked."

10. Lemieux / Socialized Medicine - The Canadian Experience - Www.lls.lt to labor, the environment, education and income security.5 A Few Lessons Severallessons can be drawn from the canadian experience with socialized medicine. http://www.lls.lt/library/lemieux-socializedmed.htm

Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience, by Pierre Lemieux The Canadian public health system is often put forward as an ideal for Americans to emulate. It provides all Canadians with free basic health care: free doctors' visits, free hospital ward care, free surgery, free drugs and medicine while in the hospital plus some free dental care for children as well as free prescription drugs and other services for the over-65 and welfare recipients. You just show your plastic medicare card and you never see a medical bill. This extensive national health system was begun in the late 1950s with a system of publicly funded hospital insurance, and completed in the late 1960s and early 1970s when comprehensive health insurance was put into place. The federal government finances about 40 per cent of the costs, provided the provinces set up a system satisfying federal norms. All provincial systems thus are very similar, and the Quebec case which we will examine is fairly typical. One immediate problem with public health care is with the funding. Those usually attracted to such a "free" system are the poor and the sick those least able to pay. A political solution is to force everybody to enroll in the system, which amounts to redistributing income towards participants with higher health risks or lower income. This is why the Canadian system is universal and compulsory. Even if participation is compulsory in the sense that everyone has to pay a health insurance premium (through general or specific taxes), some individuals will be willing to pay a second time to purchase private insurance and obtain private care. If you want to avoid this double system, you do as in Canada: you legislate a monopoly for the public health insurance system.

11. Spotlight On Socialized Medicine From Free-Market.Net: The Freedom Network An overview and libertarian perspective on health care issues. Summarizes the debate and includes a large directory of online resources for information and activism. effectively immunized the U.S. against grandiose socialized medicine plans for the foreseeable future. Party's maybe/maybenot candidate, wants to adopt the canadian system wholesale. http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/healthcare

about news channels network ... sponsored by you are here: Free-Market.Net Spotlight Socialized Medicine DMV doctoring It's been a few years since Hillary Clinton attempted to redesign the nation's healthcare system with the sort of secrecy generally attributed to a gathering of Mafia dons. While she and her cohorts were apparently rather pleased with their efforts, they managed to give the entire nation a case of the willies that has effectively immunized the U.S. against grandiose socialized medicine plans for the foreseeable future. Modest socialized plans are still with us, unfortunately. But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. Why be so hard on government officials who are just attempting to heal medicine's supposed ills? Well, it could be because the models that have traditionally drawn the health-reform Mafia like flies to ... well, you know ... are so very, very scary. If you've ever been to the Department of Motor Vehicles, the memory that sticks with you, no matter how hard you try to shake it, is of the seemingly endless lines. Now, combine those lines with a suspicious lump where lumps have no business being, and you have the overnment-run medical systems in Canada and the United Kingdom. As the National Center for Policy Analysis reported , "[w]aiting lists for surgery in some Canadian hospitals can stretch from months to as long as five years."

12. Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience socialized medicine The canadian Experience. by Pierre Lemieux. Several lessonscan be drawn from the canadian experience with socialized medicine. http://www.theadvocates.org/freeman/8903lemi.html

Click Here to Visit our Sponsor Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience by Pierre Lemieux The Canadian public health system is often put forward as an ideal for Americans to emulate. It provides all Canadians with free basic health care: free doctors' visits, free hospital ward care, free surgery, free drugs and medicine while in the hospital plus some free dental care for children as well as free prescription drugs and other services for the over-65 and welfare recipients. You just show your plastic medicare card and you never see a medical bill. This extensive national health system was begun in the late 1950s with a system of publicly funded hospital insurance, and completed in the late 1960s and early 1970s when comprehensive health insurance was put into place. The federal government finances about 40 per cent of the costs, provided the provinces set up a system satisfying federal norms. All provincial systems thus are very similar, and the Quebec case which we will examine is fairly typical. One immediate problem with public health care is with the funding. Those usually attracted to such a "free" system are the poor and the sick those least able to pay. A political solution is to force everybody to enroll in the system, which amounts to redistributing income towards participants with higher health risks or lower income. This is why the Canadian system is universal and compulsory.

13. Socialized Medicine Leaves A Bad Taste In Patients' Mouths socialized medicine Leaves a Bad Taste in Patients' Mouths. ISSN 10932240. Lastfall, a colleague of mine visited the canadian province of Manitoba. http://www.mackinac.org/print.asp?ID=2748

14. 09/24/02: Your Health canadian government official comes to US to avoid canadian waiting list. Throwing_Muses;socialized medicine = luddites who largely avoid modern technology. http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/bangersisters/158.html

document.write(''); You sign up. We get $20!! Everyone sign up now! Search: All Products Books Magazines Popular Music Classical Music Video DVD Baby Electronics Software Outdoor Living Wireless Phones Keywords: 09/24/02: Your health Posted by: well_at_least_you_live@shaw.ca (Shakesmear) Living and dying in the US. And I can speak to this. My father-in-law was hospitalised in the US during his final illness. The hospital bill was horrendous. But they reckoned without the fact that his son in law and daughter were experienced Canadian health professionals. The bill, after scrutinisation was reduced by half. We eliminated double billing, services not rendered and many other scams. Government Proposing Cuts in Many Medicare Payments By ROBERT PEAR ASHINGTON, Sept. 21 — The Bush administration is proposing deep reductions in Medicare payments for a wide range of drugs and medical devices used to treat people who are elderly or disabled. The proposed cuts are part of a new system of paying hospitals for outpatient services. With advances in medical technology, hospitals report explosive growth in the number and kinds of procedures that can be performed in outpatient clinics, without the need for an overnight stay. Outpatient care accounts for nearly half the revenue at some hospitals. The cuts would affect many drugs, devices and high- technology procedures, including cancer drugs and cardiac defibrillators like the one implanted in the chest of Vice President Dick Cheney to prevent an irregular heartbeat.

15. The Evils Of Socialized Medicine: Bureaucracy William Goodman acknowledges the evils of the canadian socialized health reform in ofAmerican Physicians and Surgeons; Goodman practiced medicine during Canada http://www.digitaltrouble.com/ken&ashley/ashley/healthcare/point2.html

Bad Medicine Bureaucracy (see "Health Care Quality: Bureaucracy or Consumer Choice by House Majority Leader Dick Armey) Barbara Amiel comments that "The bureaucracy will run out of money and will never cut itself deeply, only the services it provides." Sources: Amiel, Barbara, "How to preserve the health-care safety net." Vol. 109, Maclean's , 12-02-1996, pp 13(1) Goodman, William, "The Canadian Model", Vital Speeches of the Day

16. The Evils Of Socialized Medicine: Financial Disaster! A canadian has to work over six months for taxes. (also see socialized medicineThe canadian Experience by Pierre Lemieux) socialized medicine provides http://www.digitaltrouble.com/ken&ashley/ashley/healthcare/point3.html

Bad Medicine Financial Disaster! Socialized medicine is sooner or later simply unaffordable! William Goodman points out "...potential demands [for medical services] are completely unrestricted, but the money to pay for them is not." Sweden is a perfect example as Rob Norton notes "No nation in the world better exemplified the concept of cradle-to the-grave socialism [with socialized health care] in the decades after World War II. But by the Nineties, Sweden had become a land of oppressive taxes (63% of GDP, compared with 31% for the U.S.) and economic dysfunction." Both countries are currently greatly cutting the sizes of their health care plans to combat the growing health care funding deficit. Current government spending on medical care is already out of control as Richard Taketa observes, "Federal investigators report that in 1996 Medicare had overpaid healthcare providers approximately $23 billion (or 14% of the total standard Medicare Trust Fund allocation)." Expanding this system to total socialized medical care would only make these problems worse. William Goodman gives another example from the Canadian system which shows what socialized healthcare can do to tax costs: "If an American works full-time for a year...the total burden of taxes is so heavy that it consumes his entire income from January 1 to May 3. In other words, he has to work four months of the year for the government...the comparable figures for a citizen of Ontario are January 1 to July 7th! A Canadian has to work over six months...for taxes."

17. Www.self-gov.org/freeman/8903lemi.htm Similar pages More results from www.selfgov.org socialized medicine like ours, but has socialized medicine. Simply looking at the facts makes the strongestargument for a socialized system like Canadaís. canadian and American http://www.self-gov.org/freeman/8903lemi.htm

18. The Problems With Socialized Health Care Articles, links, figures and facts exposing the devastation resulting from socalled "Universal Category Society Issues Health Health Policy Anti-Regulation...... socialized medicine The canadian Experience Explores several lessons thatcan be drawn from the canadian experience with socialized medicine http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html

Home > Issues > Health Care The Problems with Socialized Health Care "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free." - P.J. O'Rourke Liberty Links Freedom Party of Ontario [Issues Index - Health Care] Libertarian Articles Against Socialized Medicine [Self-gov.org] Spotlight on Socialized Medicine [FreeMarket.net] Enemies of Liberty American Medical Student Association [AMSA] Physicians for a National Health Program [PNHP] Universal Healthcare Action Network [UHCAN] Europe Creeping Privatization? "Shortages of skilled workers, low morale, long queues for services, crumbling facilities and corrupt practises. Is this a picture of your typical industry in Soviet Russia 40 years ago? No, welcome to today’s British National Health Service (NHS) in all its naked glory." - Roland Watson, August 6, 2001 [LewRockwell.com] A Hard Lesson About Socialized Medicine Europeans are now learning some hard facts of life about socialized medicine: there's no such thing as a free lunch. The question is whether Congress will learn from Europe's mistakes as it takes the next steps in reforming the American health care system." - September 23, 1996 [CATO]

19. Directory Of Socialized Medicine News Reports From Free-Market.Net: The Freedom canadian health care system not enough Source Globe and Mail Country Canada canadianpremiers rejected a Click here for more socialized medicine categories. http://www.free-market.net/directorybycategory/news/T8.1/

about map news channels ... find you are here: Free-Market.Net Find Directory by Category News Reports Socialized Medicine News Reports click here for sponsorship information search get personal recommendations add a resource/link ... Australia, New Zealand and Oceania Global Cuba leads way in HIV fight at expense of personal liberty Source: BBC Country: United Kingdom "Cuba has a lid on the HIV/Aids problem," said Byron Barksdale, the director of the American Cuban Aids Project. What he doesn't say is that it's accomplished that in part by mandating C-section births, quarantining, and a national surveillance program. (2/20/03) Click here for more categories for Global United States Connecticut docs add voices to complaints over malpractice costs Source: Hartford Courant State: CT, Country: United States Connecticut doctors demonstrated at the state capitol yesterday. They're seeking a $250,000 limit on pain and suffering awards, which they claim would ease malpractice rates that are driving many out of the state, or out of business. (3/27/03) Supreme Court sides with states on HMOs Source: Washington Post Country: United States "[T]he Supreme Court ruled unanimously yesterday that states have a right to force health maintenance organizations and other health care networks to open themselves to all doctors, hospitals and other providers who agree to abide by their terms." (4/3/03)

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